Or have I missed it and you all 5 Point Calvinists actually believe that God so love the WORLD meaning every single man, woman, girl and boy who has ever lived or ever will that gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life?

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Since quote, "NO man can come" to Jesus Except God draws that person.

Then

NO human volition is, nor can be, indicated in Verse 37.!!!
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Ah? Did you notice the word 'come' by any chance?

Jesus didn't say they would sit there like a bump on a log doing nothing did He? So what do you want to say about the reality they actually ....Come to Jesus? like it doesn't really happen in 5 Point Calvinism?

Or do they just wander around and end up at Jesus feet with no idea how they got there or what they are there for?

And you would call something like that "irresistable grace"?

IF

5 Point Calvinism is true
then ........

God hates the lost, the eternally damned by His predestinating them to be, and He is a hypocrit to command those who believe in Him to do something He Himself has choosen not to do.

By the way you are the expert doesn't Scripture say a false balance is an abomination to the LORD?

You are the expert so you should remember quite clearly that Judas betrayed Jesus with...

A Slap In the Face?

"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me."

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him."

Let's see here.
Do you beieve that in John 3:16 "For God so loved the WORLD that he gave His Only Begotten Son that WHOSOVER believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." that the word world means every single man, woman, girl and boy who has ever lived or ever will or just those whom 5 Point Calvinists call the "elect"?

The reason I ask is that if so called 5 Point Calvinism is right then the unregenerate (ones I am saying are non-elect) would have great reason to hate God with everything within them. For is this "teaching" is correct then God has only created them and giving them life and planned it all out such that He God Himself would personally ensure they will be damned in hell for all eternity before they were ever born. Therefore if 5 Point Calvinism is correct it is impossible for Jesus to be beautiful to them.

That said I believe we must never let go of the reality God has so love the WORLD, each and every single man, woman, girl and boy in it so much that He sent Jesus Christ who willingly died for their sins that they might be forgiven and saved from their sins and that there is no other way, no other persona who can make them right with God.

If 5 Pointism is true, sinners (the non-elect) would have reason to hate God because God had choosen before they where born to hate them so much that He would make it impossible for them to be forgiven to ensure that they were damned in hell no matter what they do.

The militant 5 Pointers make much of God hating sinners. Why then would God COMMAND us to love our enemies if it is something that He Himself does not do? Is He a hypocrit? or are they just making Him out to be one?

Perhaps that explains why they presume everyone non-TULIP hates them when they don't (or at least most of us) it is because we would be hypocrits not to hate God, and His EEElect, as it was PREEEdestined that no matter what us non-Calvinists whom they think cannot possibly be elect because they've twisted election and predestination to mean things Scripture doesn't mean, because not knowing God loves the whole world they've built an us vs them mentality in their brain rejecting "For God so loved the WORLD....." and then are in fearful bondage if they let go of Calvinism they wheren't really elect so they hold onto it to the bitter end or God works a miracle to set them free to love people and desire their salvation even as He does.

Hi! You all!
I apologize for not having the time at the moment to engage in the length of response that I believe your comments merit.

However to give you an idea of where I am coming from by observation the terms God Himself gives in the Gospel are to repent and believe. They are so closely related and entertwined with each other that they seem to be truly inseparable.

When a sinner comes to God on His terms He saves them for He will not violate His Word.

Therefore as the Lord and time permits I will do my best to describe election and predestination Biblically in harmony with the revealed character of God and the terms God Himself gives for the gospel.

Therefore remember no matter how well or how poorly you or I might define election and predestination the truth of these terms will never violate.

"For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His Only Begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish but have eternal life."

Do you really want to hear again? Are you considering leaving Calvinism because even though those who hold it are quite fervent it really misses simply loving people even as God loves them and doesn't want any to perish but for all to come to repentance?

Total Depravity - Does not mean total inability to respond to God, to the conviction of the Holy Spirit and the preaching of the Word of God brings in a person's life. A sinner is quite unable to save themselves through any merit or works of their own however they are able to respond to God (repent and trust Him)and be saved by Him when He deals with them. But that also means the lost who hear of Christ perish in hell not because God did not provide salvation but that they rejected it.

So why did they require it by law in old Geneva where Calvin was preaching?

Wasn't Calvin attempting to make somekind of perfect City or other?

"For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

and you haven't believed it?

Wasn't church attendance required by law?

Irresistible Grace – We believe God’s grace is so utterly irresistible that we will use force to make you believe our way, even to requiring church attendance by civil law, or we’ll use our total depravity on you

Total Depravity – We will have the Civil Authorities burn you at the stake for heresy if you dare to question our teachings

Again I refer you to the man born blind. He did what Jesus told him to do and went and washed and came back seeing, didn't he.

So who did the healing?
Jesus!

"And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.

And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village."

God help us to boldly proclaim Him to lost sinners who so desperately need to hear of how serous their sin is and how that only through Jesus Christ, who is quite willing and able to save them, can they be made right with God and changed and know in Him the gift of God eternal life.

Total Depravity – We will have the Civil Authorities burn you at the stake for heresy if you dare to question our teachings

Unconditional Election – Under no conditions will we willingly admit Yamil is right on John 3:16

Limited Atonement – Heaven is only for Elect Calvinists not “Arminians” (non-Calvinists)

Irresistible Grace – We so believe God’s grace is irresistible that we will use force to make you believe our way or we’ll use our total depravity on you

Perseverance of the Saints – We will continue to refuse to believe God so loved the world and refuse to admit Yamil is right on John 3:16

But I will tell you it is quite interesting to see how similar you 'Calvinists' who claim you see and claim you are are "righteous" act very much like the Pharisees in how they treated the man born blind in how you treat us you call "arminians".

This quite sums up the disagreement doesn’t it. So why do you all want to hear the answer again? Reminds me of the man born blind in John 9, Jesus had opened his blind eyes and the Pharisees interrogated him repeatedly. Why? So they could impose their false belief on him that Jesus just had to be a sinner because he didn’t treat the Sabbath and the Scriptures the way they demanded.

He answered them,
I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?

Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses’ disciples.

It is quite obvious that you all are “Calvin’s” disciples

So know this the authority by which we “reprobates” as you call us assert John 3:16 teaches God loves everyone is God. Technically His Holy Written Word taken in context.

But like a 5th grader I believe God when He says,
“Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:22

...What think ye of Christ? This is the ultimate question all men must answer, and by which all men will be judged."

Actually it goes deeper than just acknowledging Him for who He is for Jesus Himself told us,

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Professing you believe in Jesus, and even being religious and doing miraculous things will prove quite an insufficient faith for those who continue unrepentant in their sins proving they were never born again of the Holy Spirit who would have utterly changed their lives if He had come to live in them.