So would you say a preacher is wrong to preach to people, "Repent!" Isn't that something they might do in response to the message preached?

I can almost see it now.
Bring them before the civil magistrates!
Why! Would crime have they done?
No crime something far worse!

What could be worse?
Heresy!
Heresy! That is very serious, serious enough to burn! What did they do?

They heard the message of Christ.
Yes! And did they blaspheme Him?
No! They repented!

Repented!!! You mean they thought there was something they had to do to be saved???
Yes! And they told me they believed too!
Believed too!!!

Where is the firewood how dare we allow such Arminians (whatever that means) to continue to breath.

Hell is so real and so awful that if it meant the difference between you or the worst of our "friends" going there I would willingly die knowing how undeserving I was to have Jesus Christ to die for me. Basically I would willing die for "my faith", really the faith God gave me through His Word and the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

On the other hand I seem to see a different belief that might say something like this "I would willingly see you put to death (by the civil magistrates that is) because your faith refutes my belief."

It is Not even written
For God so loved the "Elect" that He gave His Only Begotten 5 Point Calvinism...

Also with men like Spurgeon and Whitefield who preached that the lost might be saved.

Or someone like Ian Paisley or Alan Cairns, not perfect men, but men nevertheless who preach about holiness and prayer and revival.

Yes, I like men like Paul Washer and his "Shocking Youth Message" or Jim Berg and his message of "More Than Enough Hope" too. Why these men might not even be Calvinists.

But that is not the point. Don't we just have to appreciate those who are thankful to God Who gave His Only Begotten Son that Whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life?

It hurt to realize how much I had sinned against God, against Jesus Christ and even today there are times when I fail Him and it about rips my heart out when I realize it and makes me want to cry out for His forgiveness like David did in Psalm 51.

b.a. has this kind of attitude but you and some who also hold to the 5 Points don't seem to at all, Why is that?

You give the impression that what is really serious, awful, deserving to be burned at the stake is not that we have sinned against Christ, breaking the 10 Commandment, living wickedly and vilely and every bit without excuse but that we have "sinned" against "Calvinism", there is quite a difference here, think.

And you want us to believe you are regenerated by the Holy Spirit?

If you speak with the tongues of men and of angels and hold not the beliefs of 5 point Calvinism you've become what?

Joe, you just might want to take another look a the CHANGE that happens in an individual when they are born again. If you aint changed you're still lost.

As to wisdom you would do far better to study the Scriptures in their context and in the meaning of the words that God Himself gave them than to depend on Church Fathers who have proven to be quite fallible in their beliefs. Always start with Scripture and continue with Scripture and when all is said and done hold to Scripture.

This the Catholic Religion has not done. I simply cannot imagine Jesus nor any of the Apostles going to a pagan temple and worshipping or praying there and thereby giving the pagans the false impression their religion was somehow okay. NOT!

And for all your "theology" you cannot seem to get it right on John 3:16

"For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

Some kind of "theology", think!

Let me make it clear I do not believe that Jesus nor the Apostles in the New Testament ever taught anything remotely close to burning heretics, let alone making excuses to burn brothers or sisters who refused to bow to your "theology."

And you know how "hot" the civil (not the religious, No! No way!) authorities can make it for you there.

Arthur,
Don't bear fruit of Calvinism? Thanks Don't really want to. After all Jesus said something different that realates to fruit. What to know what that is?

"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." Don't have to be a Calvinist to bear this kind of fruit do I? But like our friend Albert from Ireland says,

Ye must be born again.

Has he ever told you about the Binghamton area? How it is heavily Catholic and heavily secular and many of the churches are ecumenical along with being seeker sensitive and purpose driven?

If so would this action have been right? Would it have been in accordance with the Bible?

Or just if you interpret the Bible a particular way?

After all "the decks where stacked" with Calvinists and therefore it is not suprising what came out was Calvinism.

As to personal testimony I live in the US and grew up a Yankee in the North before living in the South. This experience allowed me to appreciate how some people in the Civil War choose to fight against their brothers to free people of another race from slavery Because It Was Wrong!

While at the same time or in some instances today some people refuse to ever go against their own race even when they are quite wrong.

I believe we have both made comments to a certain individual who refuses to part with his beloved Roman Catholic Church even though he acknowledges many things he himself knows are wrong.

Arthur, I believe there is a significant difference between what we can see in Scripture of Jesus Christ and the apostles and the early Church and what they taught and how they lived and what we see today in the claims of Calvinism.

Quote

From Catechism of the Catholic Church
Officially Approved by Pope John Paul II

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

End of Quote

Apparently for all their "sacrd Tradition" and their supposed "apostolic succession" the leadership of the Roman Catholic Religion cannot get it right on who God is, He is NOT Allah, thankyou very much, and Allah is NOT the LORD, Jehovah, thankyou very much again.