Please I am not trying to be mean but don't you think you just might want to seek God and cry out to Him for mercy considering this mess in the world?

If you are talking specifically about the Purpose Driven or Church Growth Movements there are excellent Christians ministries that have thoroughly researched this and documented their findings.

www.sermonaudio.com has several messages on this.

www.crossroad.to has some excellent articles.

Richard Bennett, who is on SermonAudio by the way, a former Catholic priest, has an excellent article on his site where Rick Warren misses it on man's greatest need.

www.sliceoflaodicea.com has many articles on the matter.

and you may want to check out Cross Talk on VCY America as they have archived radio programs on this and related subjects.

Kind of like even though we mention him, Satan, from time to time we really don't want to be confronted with his purpose and where he is driving those under his influence to go.

We live in a time of "pick and choose christianity".

For example someone like James Dobson can champion the posting of the 10 Commandments while at the same time practise ecumenism whereby he supports and even encourages and joins with Roman Catholics who practise idolatry, which is an iniquity of those who the LORD says hate Him.

We simply cannot and must not have a "pick and choose christianity" of our own making or Satan will have one of his servants in the disquise of a servant of righteousness on a cause we care about (one example abortion) come in to seduce us into spiritual adultery against Christ.

This "Celebration of Apostasy" is a quite planned thing, after all it gives people a very religious way, even an entertaining way to pracise a form of godliness, making God to be whatever YOU want Him to be while you deny the power thereof, literally denying Jesus Christ's authority to be Lord, and to be obeyed, in every area of your life not merely church on Sunday morning, or what Bible translation you use.

You may have noticed how many people got caught up in the Passion of the Christ by Mel Gibson. Popular (made Gibson millions)after all what Christian would dare to say anything against such a dramtic depiction of the Lord's suffering and death?

Yet it deviated from Scripture into apostate Roman Cathoic mysticism and few warned of this because it was so utterly "popular" before it ever hit the movies being hailed by so many Religious Celebrates who should have known better but went along with what was popular.

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What I meant was (is) that I find it hard to comprehend how someone like Rick Warren draws so much attention and attracts such a large following.
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I've beeb thinking on this for awhile so here goes where I am at the present.
Refer to Psalm 2

Those in leadership in 'our' churches have many who are literally conspiring together against the LORD and against His Annointed. Similar to the Pharisees they want God to be what they make Him out to be because deep down they hate the thought of obeying His commandments.

Along with this Satan has enabled them to "Celebrate their Apostasy" giving them popularity, and fame, and don't forget great wealth from the world system under his (Satan's) inluence and control. This "popularity" has an enormous deluding affect on people at large because if it is so popular, on TV (even Foxnews Channel), in Wal-mart, not to mention in "Christian" Book Stores they assume to their own hurt it must be right.

I never said that did I. So kindly don't accuse me or insinuate something to me that I never said.

Somehow my first response got lost n the posting

Total depravity (Calvinist term)
Sinners cannot save themselves quite true but you must read into the verses what they do not say that they are unable to repsond to God's conviction and invitation and by faith seize upon His promise like their lives depend upon it.

Unconditional Election (TULIP term)
Yes, Christ chooses sinners but you must read into the verse your own interpretation that there are no terms uon which God chooses, such as humility, godly sorrow, repentance or faith.

Limited Atonement (term of Calvinists)
This goes quite against what the Holy Spirit, who knows quite a bit more in the matter than all the 5 pointer ever dreamed, moved John to write,
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

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The verses you quoted in no way teach God's grace is irresistible. They do speak of something quite supernatural but that is a different thing.

Besides Scripture teaches us,
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

Now if His grace as you all want to make it out to be (irresistible) every single last sinner should be saved, but they are not are they.

Jesus taught this,
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

If you care to notice He emphasised those who heard and acted upon His words versus thosewho did not.

Yet 'Calvinsts' such as yourself make the emphasis election/predestination and deny that men who hear, you notice both heard, have any abiliity to act on His Word which is something quite different than they of themselves can work their way into heaven or invite themselves there.

And you don't need to believe TULIP to be saved and be part of the elect, predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son Jesus Christ and know in Him the gift of eternal life do you.

No! Are you sure?

So just what and more importantly in Whom must they believe?

Now are you going to find fault with Jesus for all the wretched sinners He has saved who were not '5 Point Calvinists' and never will be?

Which would problably surprise the apostle Paul who moved by the Holy Spirit wrote to the Corinthians,

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.