and if you care to listen for yourself David DiCanio on this site has a recorded message where he plays and interview between Robert Schuller and Billy Graham and Graham talks about people being Christians who haven't even heard of Christ (I forget his exact words) which you can hear for yourself.

"...for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:"

And of course you know Jesus told us to beware of false prophets who come to us in sheep's clothing (of all things, imagine that!) You can spot some of them in who they claim John 3:16 doesn't really mean For God so loved the world, only the elect. And then go on to claim they were born again before they were convicted of their sin and that Jesus died for sinners (actually for them only the elect) and certainly before they repented and ever called on His name for salvation (if ever they even did that).

I happen to be a former and by the grace of God never to be again Roman Catholic and it has puzzled me for quite some time why the Roman Catholic Religion has had such venom for Martin Luther and hardly a comment about the "Pope of Geneva" Why do you think that is?

Perhaps they share alot more in common than they both would like us to know.

This I do know that many professing themselves to be Calvinists have "dialogues" with Roman Catholics when Scripture says,

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Now you don't begin to tell me the RC Religion is faithful to what Scripture says of Christ do you. Why then would some of your beloved 'Calvinists' invite them in for dialogue?

Makes me think something is amiss from Geneva, Think!

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Hold, or surpressing, the truth in unrighteousness speaks volumes here regarding the Roman Catholic Religion and its supression of the truth.

Even in their own Catechism when they list the 10 Commandments their listing erases the commandment against making idols and divides the thenth against coveting into 2 separate ones. So you tell me does the Pope know what he is doing?

You can call me Pathfinder. I'll use it in my posts.

And as to Lurker's concern he is right in the sense that we should guard against getting in the flesh but that can work both ways either in being too harsh and damning or be too gentle and soft cowardly accepting.

He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
Pro 17:15

One speaker has observed many who call themselves 'Calvinists' have little idea of where Calvin got many of his beliefs and therefore they "defend" him quite vigorously and at times vilify any who do bow to their beliefs. This vigourous opposition is quite similar to that of the Pharisees who presummed they were the correct interpreters of Scripture with the right to impose obedience to their beliefs upon others. This imposing is something that Augustine believed in by the way.

Also how long would it be befoe there were multiple "Watchmans" from PA, Scottland, Saddleback Community Church, the Vatican etc.

and
John Calvin the greatest theologian in the Reformation from The only True Church Protestant and presbyterian,

Quote
He's (Rick Warren)just one man preaching the whole counsel of the Word of God, of course you'd know that if you would do your homework before becoming a critic.
End of quote

Richard Bennett quotes Rick Warren and then makes the following staggering observation

Rick Warren:
“He [God] created the church to meet your five deepest needs: a purpose to live for, people to live with, principles to live by, a profession to live out, and power to live on. There is no other place on earth where you can find all five of these benefits in one place.”

Richard Bennett
Warren is dead wrong in his list of “deepest needs”. On the authority of the Bible, the first and foremost need of any man is perfect righteousness before the All Holy God. It is Christ Jesus’ righteousness alone that God will accept as a propitiation for any man’s sin and sin nature. This primary need of man is constantly shown in the Bible but Warren does not even mention this foundational truth in his list of “deepest needs”.

Quote
Micheal from Endicott,
In what cave in Endicott do you live?
It's very easy to go to Pastors.Com and download sermons from Matt. 5,6,7. He's just one man preaching the whole counsel of the Word of God, of course you'd know that if you would do your homework before becoming a critic.
End of quote

So much for you open-mindedness and believing Rick Warren when he tells you in writing one of his key false beliefs that the primary responsibility of those in leadership are to identify obstacles to ‘church growth’ and remove them. So much for feed My Sheep, So much for preach the Word of God.

Dr. H.T. Spence has an excellent 3 part series on music and the end times. And I believe it is safe to say music, even or should I say Especially ‘Christian’ or Religious Music will be used by Satan to draw people to the Antichrist. Just look at the ecumenical crowds it draws. For example Roman Catholics, Mormons, and even Presbyterians and Baptists sing or enjoy listening to many of the very same songs.

It is one of the first key beliefs of Rick Warren he tells ministers in his first book The Purpose Driven Church.

But perhaps since you want to be open minded about this issue you might want to consider from the very start Rick Warren misses Jesus's Purpose when he neglects what Jesus said about being Salt and Light (Sermon on the Mount Matt 5,6,7)and how Jesus emphasised the Word of God, What God Himself taught in Scripture as being of extreme importance.

You do know Rick Warren doesn't begin to teach anything like or with anything approaching the attitude of Christ or those God used to write the Bible. For example Rick Warren's god seems so loving of everyone And Non Judgemental. This is a heinous distortion of the Love of God which cannot possibly be understood in the least apart from first understanding how much God truly hates sin because it it evil and the source of all evil, suffering, and death anyone has ever experienced or will and rightfullly demands His punishment.

Read the book of James and you might just see if you are open minded enough that to break 1 of the 10 Commanments is to be guilty of all.

That Church leadership actual hold to the Word of God, which very much tells us sister b.a. that we treat you, and all women with respect as Christ died for you ever bit as much as He did for us.

But also if we honestly look at the Reformation even with its 'leaders' every bit fallible unlike the Catholic Popes (who were not even close) we should see how important Scripture is. I know being raised Catholic they didn't want us reading the Bible for ourselves, nor making our faith in Christ personal, trusting that He would save us if we would repent and call upon His name.

And believers baptism, talk about something that would really upset them and demonstrate to them you had rejected their Pope, their Virgin Mary, their Purgatory and their sacred Tradition it could be viewed as being in their sight a heretic like John Huss (they burned Him at the stake about 100 years before Luther if you didn't know).