"the only thing needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing".

Well, as wimpy as I am I will still speak out against this wickedness. I will be called a racist for speaking against zionism, but it is the people who support Israel, simply because they think they are "jews" who are racist. The racist's are those who say the Jew's are a special, set apart people from the rest of the nations. That type of thinking is racist.

I on the otherhand am not racist. I believe that all nationalities of people are equal, not one is set apart. National Israel is just like any other nation of people.

If that ever happens both dispensationalism and zionism will end. And the false prophecies concerning the importance of Israel becoming a nation again will of come to nothing.

So from male company to 14 year old girls. I guess it all depends on what your definiton of a pervert is.

"In 1586, James signed the Treaty of Berwick with England; and the execution of his mother in 1587" Wickipedia

Can you back up that statement with scripture? No, of course not.

Only the greek texa were written by holy spirit inspired men, the Apostles. Not a group of men translating a bible for the pervert king James, with the assistance of the RC corrupted latin vulgate.

If your men were so infallible, then why did they translate the greek word "aeaon" age, as world? There exists a greek word for world, "kosmos", and that was not the word that was written in this text.

I quoted the greek text, not some modern translation. I agree that there are errors with some modern translations, but this is not the point. I'm a KJV guy myself, but any student of greek will agree that the KJV is not perfect, though it is very good.

Well good for them.
If they teach homosexuality, evolution, etc. then surely there is nothing wrong with teaching sex and drugs.

The public schools are institutes of depravity. They conform children to the standards of ignorance and evil.

The more corrupt they get, the more consistent they become. At least they can be seen as wolves now, compared to the time when they were attempting to be sheep in wolves clothing.

On a side note: Any Christian parent who sends their children to these institutions have broken covenant with God. (deut.6)

If they teach homosexuality, evolution, etc. then surely there is nothing wrong with teaching scientology.

The public schools are institutes of depravity. They conform children to the standards of ignorance and evil.

The more corrupt they get, the more consistent they become. At least they can be seen as wolves now, compared to the time when they were attempting to be sheep in wolves clothing.

On a side note: Any Christian parent who sends their children to these institutions have broken covenant with God. (deut.6)

Maybe.

But either way, stealing $50million from it's citizens to pay for any type of "moral" education (on the topic of sex) is wrong.

Just like stealing the purse of an old woman so that you can give the money to a homeless guy would be wrong.

Abigail.
Check your translation.

The disciples did not ask Jesus what the signs of the END OF THE WORLD (Kosmos) would be.

Matt 24:3 the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, 'Tell us, when shall these be? and what [is] the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the AGE?'
YLT - Greek
AGE= aion (ahee-ohn'); from the same as NT:104; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially Jewish.

I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies.Gen 22:17

for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. Galatians 3:29

The heirs of the promise are one in Christ, and they as a whole (ekklesia) are heirs of the promise and will posses the gates of the enemy.

I will build my church (ekklesia), and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matt 16:18

There is no individualism.

As for John 18:36. Jesus' kingdom does not derive it's power from earth, (like the gates of hell do) but from heaven. This is true authority.

As for 2Cor 10. Paul explains that the weapons of our warfare, to posess the gates of our enemy, derive thier authority from heaven. They are not fleshly but have divine power. Only with this divine authority can we posess the gates.

They should cut all government funding of this program...But, they should cut all government funding of any sex education programs.

Come on, it's not the role of the state to fund sex education.
Actually it's not the role of the state to fund any education.

And what might those signs be? What makes you think that the world is going to end anyday now?

Surely it's not the Luke scripture you quoted. Jesus made it very clear that those things were to happen upon that generation, and they did.

"God is not using the strong delusion to accomplish judgment; rather it is (part of) the judgment itself."

Does this mean that:

a) The condemned is not guilty enough?

or

Thank you very much for writing back!

(From #1) You say: "the ultimate purpose of the 'strong delusion' is to judge (i.e. condemn)".

... but Jesus said: "he that believeth not is condemned already".

God sends the delusion to KEEP people who are ALREADY capable of believing and who have ALREADY had a chance to believe, but who have rejected him, from becoming "uncondemned".

... and so IF a person cannot come to faith UNLESS they be regenerated first, and THEN believe, and then be saved:

Why does God use this means to accomplish his purpose of condemning them if they are already condmened?

"The strong delusions effectivly shut the door to salvation for the wicked before His coming."

1) Of the strong delusion, why is the "purpose" to "judge the unbelieving"?

a) Aren't they already on their way to judgment and then the fire because they were not PRE-destined to be saved?

b) Or is it "because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved?" 2:10b

2) The purpose can be found in verse 2:11a, which is: "for this cause"

3) TIMING is the key:

When "that Wicked be revealed" ... is when it's too late -- God's not interested then -- that really WOULD be "easy believism".

4) Otherwise, God would be punishing people for not having faith he didn't give them ... court-martialing a soldier for not shooting bullets at the enemy when he wasn't given weapons and ammunition in the first place.

5) To the Thessalonians, Paul doesn't say: "from the beginning of the creation" or "from the beginning of the world" or something like that.

He says: "from the beginning".

God led Paul to Thessalonica BEFORE they "were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia." 1Th 1:7a

In the BEGINNING of Paul's OWN ministry, he "obtained mercy, that ... first Jesus Christ might shew forth ... for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe". 1 Tim 1:16

Thanks.

Best,

... and I'm not trying to be mean.

I have many Calvinist friends. They are dear to me. And I mean that sincerely. In fact, the verse in question was shown to me by a Calvinist friend -- we were discussing the current state of affairs in American Christianity ...

... But I've just learned not to talk about these sorts of things because it can really upset people -- or I tend to get the "you don't understand Calvinism" answer, or the "you need to read the follwing 15 books" answer.

So ... Is there a pretty BASIC, you know: Calvinism-101 answer (less than a 1,000 words) that makes sense, that explains:

"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:12

Here's my question: If God predestinates who will be saved, and if everybody is totally depraved ANYWAY, why does he need to send a "strong delusion", "THAT they should believe a lie", if God predestinates who will be saved, and if everybody is totally depraved ANYWAY?

What would happen if they believed?

(I really hope this doesn't start one of those big arguments.)

Thanks.