Wanting to display your faith in a government school is like a man trying to preach the gospel in a hoar house. You should not be there in the first place.

Even the mythical characters that can be found in these fantasy books have become mainstream, for example The "anti-christ" demonic world ruler guy who put's microchips in peoples hands and foreheads to send them to hell.

Islam cannot exegetically be the beast of Revelation. Here are a couple of reasons why.

- Islam was not around to persecute the Christians of the first century (like the beast of rev. does)
- Islam did not have five fallen kings in the first century like the beast did. (5 have fallen, one is, one is yet to come)
- Islam did not destroy jerusalem with fire in the first century
- Islam did not arise as a world power at the time of Christ like the beast did
- Islam did not have a king (a head) whose name equalled 666 like the beast did in the first century
- Islam was not destroyed to make way for the rise of christendom to spread throughout the world like the beast was

and on and on I could go.

Being you are so influenced by the reading of someone's propecy book...let me recommend some.

All he has to do is go to the local cemetery and dig up a couple of dead bodies, and look at the worms, maggots and gross corruption that has come upon that person...then let's see if he tells me that there is no hell.

Proof of hell:
The very fact that this man is going to die and be eaten by worms should be proof enough...We all accept death, we should all equally accept hell. If the visible corruption is so plain, then surely we should accept the much more spiritual corruption of hell.

If God saw fit to appoint you to die for your sins, and see gross corruption, and be eaten by maggots...then surely he will see fit for your soul to endure the same.

As for being a "grace Christian"..

" A new and more powerful proclamation of the Law is perhaps the most pressing need of the hour...A low view of Law always brings legalism in relegion; a high view of Law makes man a seeker after grace. Pray God that the high view may again prevail"
J. Gresham Machen

How can you really be a "grace christian" without being a "law Christian"...It is the "Law Christians" who seek after grace...It is the "grace christians" who negate the actual need for grace.

COMMON SENSE;
God commands many types of criminals to be put to death, (especially murderers). Now, does he command only the "sinless" to be the executioners? NO, if so then he would of made void his own own commandment. For there are none who are sinless, therefore no one could ever be put to death for his crime. (this would make God a very bad lawgiver)

God (nor Jesus) does not command the sinless to carry out execution by stoning. Otherwise, there would be no such thing as the death penalty. God only commands that those who are innocent of the sin being condemned can be the executioners. Makes perfect sense.

The women caught in adultery could not be stoned because it was an unlawful trial, and there was no pharisee there who could throw the first stone without breaking the Law of Moses himself..that is why they left.
Jesus knew the Law better then they, and he used it to convict the pharisee's own hearts.

Leviticus 20:10
If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Note: Jesus never commanded the women caught in adultery to not be stoned...Only that the trial was in error, because of the adulteress sins of the pharisees...They had not right to condemn her. Jesus called them adulterers as well; you cannot throw a stone at someone as guilty if you are guilty of the SAME sin. The law commands the first witness to throw the first stone, but he cannot be guilty of the sin himself...That's why Jesus said to "throw the first stone"...he did not say that stoning adulterers was wrong, only that the Law of God was to be upheld properly, not like the pharisees were trying to do.

Since when does 66+6 =666 ??

66+6= 72

"Go After The Treasure that they have been pursuing, lo, These Last 18 Centuries. . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Holy & Eternal City of Jerusalem !"

Now in a biblical world view, we can read scriptures that tell us to even help out our neighbors ox if it is hurt, let alone our neighbor himself.

These people are guilty as accessory to a crime leading to death.

Nope, only in the fiction books is a cashless society some sort of sin.

What is the original mark on the hand and forehead as found in the bible? (hint...no microchips)

Deutoranomy 11
18 “You shall therefore lay up these words (commandments) of mine in your heart and in your soul, and you shall bind them as a mark on your hand, and they shall be a sign upon your forehead.

God's word shall direct all of your thoughts (forehead) and all of your actions (right hand). This is the "mark" of a child of God.

The mark of the beast is that corrupt govt. influences your thoughts and your actions. You trust in king's, rather then in the King of kings.

The mark of the beast is not a microchip...it is a way of life. Hince, those who practice this (the mark) are doomed to hell (not because of a microchip) because they submitted not to Christ, but to the world system.

After John see's the mark of the beast, he say's this:
Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
Reve 14

I guess JD has never sung the hymn "joy to the world" at Christmas time, or any other time.

Singing about the birth of Christ the Church has confessed the kingship of Christ.

"Joy to the world! the Lord is come;
Let earth receive her King;…
Joy to the earth! the Saviour reigns;…
He rules the world with truth and grace,
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness,
And wonders of His love"

Revelation
"Come quickly" means it is going to happen very soon.."Time is near" means the time is very near.."At the door" means it is here, the time is now.

Being the Lord revealed to John things which he said "must shortly come to pass", and this in 65ad or so, then it should be obvious that the Rev passage you quote was fulfilled in the first century.

Christ is king and nations have been coming to worship him for the last 2000 years. And as Christ continues to rule and reign, the nations will more and more be subdued by his word and will worship him. This will continue until the whole earth is filled with the knowledge of God, and Christ fills all in all.

But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth...in the days of those kings (pre 70ad) the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed..It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever.
Dan 2

The Lawless one is the apostate priesthood, which sat in the temple of God, suposedly ruling on behalf of God's law, but it was in fact lawless and sin, doomed to destruction. The priesthood ...Who, even in THE PAST, sentenced Jesus Christ himself to death, taking the perogative of God in so doing. Making itself, (himself) above God.

Rome restrained the priesthood for a time, but after the Jewish rebellion(apostasy), the "Jews" and the priesthood were no longer restrained...his (the priesthood) destruction was certain.

Anonymous--

The position that Christ came, as he promised he would, in the first century is not a heretical view.

There are plenty of sermons on here that teach this. In fact, it is the prevailing (or is becoming) view in most reformed churches.

A vast many of conservative Christian leaders hold to this view. Including,

Hank Hanegraff, RC Sproul, Gary Demar, Ken Gentry (all major Christian leaders in this country)

Just because you have been dupped by the futurist's propoganda does not make my view heretical.

Try listening to some of these lectures on sermonaudio.

http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Gary%5EDeMar

http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Rev%2E%5EKen%5EGentry

or get some books at
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I will debate with you in precise detail on the scriptures here if you are up for it.

Obviously you are the one that paid no attentin to detail. Did you even read the post. I made a clear statement that indicates who the man of sin is, it is so clear that you, if you read, could never think that I hold to "Titus" as the man of sin.

Quote from my last post:
"Though the man of sin was very much an "antichrist", which is obvious by his seat in the temple judging, even pronouncing the death sentence upon Christ himself, then persecuting his followers for 40 years".

Did Titus seat in the temple, did Titus accuse Jesus of blasphemy and pronounce the death sentence, did Titus persecute Christians for 40 years?

The answer should be obvoius.

How could you confuse the priesthood, and namely the high priest, with Titus

If Jesus did not come in judgement upon the man of sin, in the first century, then both Jesus and Paul were false teachers.

For Jesus himself clearly told his disciples that his coming in judgement would come upon their generation (Matt 24:34), also Jesus said that "some standing here would not taste death till they see the son of man come in his kingdom", and Jesus repeatedly told John in Revelation that he was coming soon, that he was showing John what must soon take place, and that he was coming quickly.

Paul speaks often about Jesus' coming in judgement, as it is specifically laid out in Matthew 24 (which is completely fulfilled) and explained specifically with the destruciton of the temple and the end of that age.

In thessalonians Paul is not talking about the end of the world or the consumation of all things..He is speaking of the things in the first century, hince why he is writing to a Church in the fist century (Thess.) and teaching things that THEY should expect...not us.

It should be obvious that the Apostles taught and expected Christ's judgement coming in the first century. Being inspired, I don't believe they were wrong. It's the futurist's who are wrong. A careful study of prophecy can prove it.

Also, the "lawless one" sat in the temple of God in Jerusalem, in Paul's day. The temple was destroyed in 70ad and will never be rebuilt. The "lawless" one therefore had to of been revealed prior to 70ad.

But, then again Paul's man of sin and John's antichrist are probably not the same. Though the man of sin was very much an "antichrist", which is obvious by his seat in the temple judging, even pronouncing the death sentence upon Christ himself, then persecuting his followers for 40 years.

For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law...Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. Romans 3:28,31

For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to GOD'S LAW; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Romans 8

If you are serious about the comments you all made, then you will listen to some of these sermons/lectures.

http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Gary%5EDeMar