Babtism, in the greek meens babtiso

babtiso is roughly translated into immersion, that is what the greeks said to meen emersion,

infants have never sinned, and as peter said in 1 peter 3:21 it is not the putting away of filthy flesh but an answer to a good consience and the remission of sins, until someone has reached the age of reasoning, and have sinned they should not be babtized, if they do, they are just getting wet.

Copping out is one of your many skills isn't it?

What I quoted deals with it all buddy boy? Whether it be drinking or eating.

That's not a good position to be in. Then you have the dispensationals thinking their is going to be some kind of temple being restored during the millenium, so there can be some kind of homage sacrificing.

So then I can still drink because I'm not around you to offend you?

Why be so stuck in this weakness when you have been shown from scripture that it's not sin to drink?

And if you are going to quote Romans 14, quote all of it.

How about even the first part?
Rom 14:1-4
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Rom 14:14
I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.

Not sure what point you're referring to? And have you changed your notion that the original language of scripture and proper exegesis are actually very important when arguing a point. Based on the thread about beer I still haven't seen that reverance for God's word.

And that's not amusing.

And for some strange reason I get the feeling you're trying to mock me. Weird huh? It's like, you take some stuff from another thread, then try to call me on it(though failing entirely). Odd I know.

Is this all because you can't back up what you were saying with scripture, and when scripture trumps your opinion you get all kiddy on me? Is that what you were doing? Awww, you try so hard. But I give you an A for effort.

Now you are responding back to the very same people that you said were unloving. I don't care much for going back and forth without scripture, but cbc presented scripture for what he believed. You said that they are painting an incorrect picture of God, that's fine, now show them.

To all in here, I'm new here, but if you present an point, you need to be able to back it up with scripture. And when scripture is presented, deal with the scripture, leave the emotions out.

And it appears there have been several people who have built strawmen to make a point. Those who see nothing wrong with drinking period have been argued against as if they were advocating drunkeness, which no one has.

Also, when did this thread change to the doctrines of grace.

I don't think this has anything to do with anything. As all races make something a "big deal" and "a loss". And it wouldn't only be the slavery era in America that would turn blacks from Christianity. What you read about in newspapers and history books is only scratching the surface to some of the crap so-called Christians have done in the name of Christ.

In the civil rights era, the hippocrite Christians forced blacks to turn to a new saviour, whether it be Allah, or themselves. It gave birth to the Nation of Islam, a sect of Islam, though heretical to Islam, it's influence among blacks was great. Malcom X, Muhammed Ali, were very influential to the movement. Many young blacks, especially within the culture of Hip-Hop embrace something similar to NOI, calling it 5% Nation. The Black man has become god, and the white man the devil.

Opinion? What opinion? Stop being so lazy and go look it up. The greek is very important. What school of thought do you come from that thinks that proper exegesis is not important? This is no opinion, and that's not a defense, it's a cop out.

I gave the evidence that the wine at the wedding was fermented wine. Remember you said that you din't care for the greek. Probably because it shows where you err.